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Kade U's avatar

Was in a little before you (I don't remember your name but it's not impossible I judged you at some point while I was in college and you were in HS). Everything you say here is completely and unironically correct, though I do want to throw out that by far the most common experience of competitive debate is a local tournament, usually run by the NCFL, and in which this type of stuff generally does not happen. This is derisively referred to as "lay debate" by people who attend major tournaments where the extreme ultra wokeness occurs, but it is in fact the majority of the activity.

Anyway, if you can believe it, college debate is actually much crazier than HS, as almost everyone involved is completely insane, as opposed to HS where there is usually a sane person for every insane person.

I don't really have a problem with the wacky arguments in round. I think they are extremely useful for what debate is trying to achieve, which is test the limits of what can be argued and how. There is real joy in trying to figure out how to disprove some dumb bullshit that nevertheless is a validly constructed argument. The real problem comes from one, the presumption that the leftiest position is right, and two, the out-of-round social dynamics that are unbelievably toxic.

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jsjjsjndkd's avatar

I used to be an altrighter 4chan /pol/ lurker and it was precisely these sort of people who kept me radicalized and made me epistemically content with my far right views (having the only visible opponents to your views be crazy psychopathic dumb people who refuse to reason correctly is about the most comforting thing there can be)

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