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I'm not sure how much the B theory point really weakens the argument. I am extremely confident that B theory is true, so if A theory is required for the Kalam to work, that automatically means the argument has basically no force for me. But I don't know if it really requires A theory. Craig defines "begins to exist" in a way that presupposes A theory, but as a B theorist, I think his definition is just wrong, and the correct definition is that something begins to exist at time t if t is the first point on its worldline (with the direction along the worldline defined based on causality). This definition is basically the same as your definition that X begins to exist at t if X exists at t, but not any time before t, and X doesn't exist timelessly, except that I've modified it to work even in situations that involve time travel.

Some of the attempts to justify the causal principle (e.g. induction from everyday experience) don't depend on Craig's idiosyncratic definition. The only ones that really seem to depend on A theory are the purely intuition-based ones, since thinking of the universe as a spacetime block gives us different intuitions about it. But it's hard to say how much this defeats the intuition given that there's no actual argument behind it - some Kalam proponents might claim that they have an intuition that the universe needs a cause of its beginning to exist even if B theory is true, and it's hard to argue against them when their point is just intuition (or at least, it's no easier to argue against them than it was before). That being said, I think the Kalam fails for the other reasons you've laid out even if the B theory point doesn't kill it.

Also, to try to pull you over to the B theory side, I'll say I don't think the infinite ethics arguments works against it at all, for a few reasons:

1. It just doesn't seem like a situation could be rendered metaphysically impossible simply by the fact that it's seemingly impossible to determine certain axiological or ethical facts about it. That seems to get things backwards to me. The situation is still just as conceivable regardless of the weird moral facts.

2. A theory doesn't do anything to solve the infinite ethics dilemmas. After all, what happens in the future still has to matter somehow on A theory if ethics is to make any sense at all: Any ethical theory that says that the effects your actions have on the future (even just 1 second in the future) don't matter is morally insane. So even if you're an A theorist, you can't just restrict your moral concern to only what's happening in the present moment. But then there's no reason why an infinite amount of pleasure and pain occurring in the future would cause any fewer problems for A theory than for B theory.

3. Even if you somehow could restrict moral concern to only the present moment on A theory, it's still possible for infinitely many people to exist in the present moment (in fact, it's probably actual). So A theory would still run into infinite ethics dilemmas, or at least infinite axiology dilemmas. You could try to get rid of these by adopting finitism, but then this would solve the problem for B theory as well.

4. Related to what I said in (2), A theory, or at least presentism, seems to cause big problems for ethics. We know that the future, and any moral theory that doesn't take the future consequences of our actions into account is horrendous. But how can we do this on presentism? How can the future matter if it doesn't even exist?

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Ibrahim Dagher's avatar

On causal finitism—I also weakly lean towards it being true, but perhaps a bit more strongly than you. I think the explanation-based versions of the arguments for causal finitism (rather than the patchwork principles) are good and not seriously undercut by the UPD. Shameless self-plug, I’ve argued for one here, though I am not 100% convinced the argument works: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11153-023-09876-z

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