Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Vikram V.'s avatar

> So if there are tons of Boltzmann brains then you should think you’re probably a Boltzmann brain. But if you think that then you shouldn’t trust your reasoning, because most Boltzmann brains have defective reasoning, so the belief is self-defeating. Additionally, Boltzmann brains die after a few seconds, so if you notice yourself not dying quickly then you know you’re not a Boltzmann brain.

This is a pretty terrible argument. You have no evidence that you're not a Boltzmann brain. You can't "notice yourself not dying" because every Boltzmann brain would also not notice dying, since noticing yourself dying instantly is impossible. So you have no evidence that distinguishes your current experience from such a brain.

Your argument just boils down to "I'm going to take as an article of faith that I'm not a Boltzmann brain, therefore god", which is not a serious logical argument.

Secondly, you are gerrymandering what counts as an arbitrary constraint. According to you God is not arbitrary because its "perfect goodness". A multiverse is arbitrary because it requires lots of randomness. You give no criteria as to what is "simpler". You also appear to be saying that *any* constraint is "arbitrary", which obviously favors god because once you define every constraint as arbitrary you essentially stipulate there must be an unconstrained being.

What is the source of these definitions of simplicity or arbitraryness? You have never provided one in all of your blog posts. The categories are simply made-up!

Expand full comment
cinc's avatar

My biggest issue with this is "If there is a God, then the universe being finely tuned makes sense." For the probability of us being fine-tuned to be high under theism, that deity must have a certain set of contingent desires. The set of possible worlds a deity could create is massive: it could create no universe, no life, a world that our brains can't make rational sense of, etc. The probability of being in a fine-tuned universe like this under theism seems just as improbable to me as under naturalism.

Now, if you want to claim these properties of your deity are not contingent, then idk why we can't just claim the same under naturalism. We can just claim this universe is necessary. Both seem just as ad hoc to me.

We also have very good independent reasons to believe God isn't the Triple O god. It seems to me the problem of evil brings the priors close to zero. If God was perfect, not only is the existence of things like child cancer and factory farming deeply implausible, but the very existence of humans indicates this type of God doesn't exist. If God was perfect, and this meant he wanted to create lots of life, he wouldn't create humans of all things - if anything, he would create an infinite number of beings that are the ontological equivalent of God (which I guess rules out monotheism). At the very least, he would create beings a lot better than humans. It's also implausible he created so much life lower than us, most of which experiences nothing but suffering and then death. And if we would expect him to create infinite life, why is the universe so devoid of life? Why did he tune a universe to be nearly entirely inhospitable to life? If perfect God existed, we would expect a much better "tuned" universe, with vastly more life in it. We would also expect a maximum amount of life - which we clearly don't have, just on earth we could have many more people. Why didn't we just start with the earth at the maximum capacity of humans? Do all possible people exist, just not at the same time? Does God maintain like a vat of souls with all possible people in it somewhere? Maybe, but this seems to just get increasingly and ridiculously ad hoc.

Anyway, if we can rule out a perfect deity, which I think we can, then we're left with a deity that we have no reason to believe would care about life, making universes, making life capable of understanding their reality, etc. In which case, its existence doesn't alter the probability of us existing.

Expand full comment
190 more comments...

No posts