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Scott Alexander's avatar

Help me understand this.

Suppose I notice I am a human on Earth in America. I consider two hypotheses. One is that everything is as it seems. The other is that there is a vast conspiracy to hide the fact that America is much bigger than I think - it actually contains one trillion trillion people. It seems like SIA should prefer the conspiracy theory (if the conspiracy is too implausible, just increase the posited number of people until it cancels out).

You can get around this by saying that infinity is too big for it to matter - since there are an infinite number of Americans (across all possible worlds), I'm no more likely to live in the conspiracy universe than the normal universe. But I think you can't do weird stuff with infinities like this. Consider 1000 rare classes of person (dictator, billionaire, dwarf, polar explorer, etc). I notice I'm not in most of these classes. But it seems like if there are an infinite number of Earths, then there are an infinite number of polar explorers and an infinite number of non-polar-explorers, and these aren't two different levels of infinity (there are about 1 million times more non-explorers than explorers). So I should be exactly as likely to be an explorer as a non-explorer. But the fact that I'm not in more than a handful of these rare classes proves that this isn't true. Therefore, you can't sweep the first problem under the rug by playing with infinities.

What am I missing?

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John's avatar

I might be wrong about this, but I don't find this argument convincing. I have reservations about the SIA and theism's predictive ability, but I mostly disagree because I don't think atheism does such a bad job of predicting the existence of large numbers of people. To illustrate this, I've tried to list out some hypotheses that are alternatives to theism and still predict the existence of large numbers of people.

1. Tegmark's multiverse and modal realism

1.1. I don't think induction is a big problem for these worldviews, certainly relative to theism.

1.1.1. Suppose modal realism is true. The mere fact that there are infinitely many concretely existing possible worlds where induction fails does not imply that I am probably in such a world, or that induction fails in nearly all worlds. I'm not even sure it's possible to make such statements in a meaningful way - you would need to have a measure over all possible worlds, which is impossible because there is no set of all possible worlds.

1.1.2. Whatever the best way of thinking about uncertainty over possible worlds is, the idea that it would change if those possible worlds existed concretely is exceedingly strange.

1.1.3. Theism doesn't explain why induction works any better than atheism. The morally sufficient reasons God has for allowing the massive amount of evil that have existed throughout history are surely sufficient to allow him to create a world where induction doesn't work.

2. Alternative theisms: for any property that people existing can entail, just postulate a God who values that property rather than goodness. There are infinitely many of these, including

2.1. Evil God

2.2. God who just likes qualia, in general

2.3. God who mostly cares about aesthetic (but not necessarily moral) value

2.4. God who really likes Luxembourgers (maybe there's a reason they have such high GDP per capita)

2.5. and so on.

3. Generalized value selection hypotheses: take theism or any of the 'alternative theisms' and postulate a mindless force which tends to instantiate the corresponding values

4. Physical multiverse theories

4.1. I'm don't think it would be that hard to create mathematical models of multiverses containing Beth-2 or more people. It might be that those models wouldn't be well-motivated by empirical data in the conventional sense, but maybe we shouldn't expect them to be if most of the other universes are causally isolated from ours. And they would at least be motivated by anthropic considerations, which are empirical! (at least if SIA is correct).

4.2. Specifying the exact nature of this model shouldn't even be necessary! It seems *extremely* unfair to complain that physicists haven't proposed a mathematical multiverse model that would predict enough universes when philosophers and theologians haven't proposed a mathematical model of God and his act of creation.

5. Other multiverse theories: Suppose, for example, that there's a simple universe-generating monad which generates lots and lots of universes.

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