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John M's avatar
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I've always thought that morality should emerge from simple rules, i.e. those that hug closely the underlying reason why we even have morality at all: that consciousness, suffering, and pleasure exist. Suffering is bad and pleasure is good are simple rules from which the complex, higher-order rules of morality should follow. Making anything else fundamental, to me, seems like rationalizing faulty intuitions. It also makes your moral beliefs less predictable to others, which isn't good.

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I think another interesting conclusion of this--one which I'm sure people who post a lot about animal suffering care about, although I don't hear about it as much as I would expect!!--is that it seems REALLY IMPORTANT to improve our knowledge of whether and/or how much various sorts of animals suffer.

If, say, shrimp don't suffer at all, then giving to shrimp welfare projects is **actively bad**--it's throwing resources away into a Money Pit. Likewise, if there's a significant (even if not overwhelming) chance that Insect Suffering is not only not the largest problem in the world (as Bentham has said), but isn't even a problem *at all*, then figuring out which is the case becomes of paramount importance, obviously.

(And this holds too for questions like "do they suffer x% as much as humans or 2x% as much as humans.)

This also implies cognitive science and philosophy of mind research are much more of value than nearly any other type of scientific research and nearly any other sort of philosophy.

(FWIW, my ethical beliefs diverge substantially from Bentham's FAR before these kinds of questions. Just spinning out the implications here.)

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