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Noah Birnbaum's avatar

I really don’t like the way these sort of arguments are made because it just relies on many facts about things that are really really out there - things we have very little empirical feedback loops to show that our reasoning isn’t making any crucial errors.

I’m skeptical of peoples’ (especially philosophers historically) to make armchair questions about the nature of reality.

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t take answers to these questions seriously and whatever, but for some reason it seems like you are taking them significantly more seriously than I am. Isn’t it possible that, given where we are in science, we just don’t have the capabilities to answer these questions? I mean these seem like, irrespective of whether they are related to the concept of god, the hardest questions humans can possible answer.

I guess this is more of a methodology point, but I would like to know more about why you think you take arguments like these so seriously. To me, it seems similar (not the same, obviously) to the Greeks talking about what the world is made out of and other facts like that.

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Matt's avatar

I think the problem with this class of argument is you're just fine-tuning God. For instance, if you told me "God is a perfect mind, by which I mean God is the metaphysical instantiation of the set of all true propositions" then maybe that is kind of simple and you could make a case that it's a virtuous theory.

But if you have to keep adding on "and He has good reasons for behaving like He doesn't exist" etc etc etc then you really don't have a simple or virtuous theory anymore. A much simpler, more elegant theory is "That's just the way it is." I really don't see what this kind of conception of God does for you that is more theoretically elegant or powerful than "It is what it is."

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