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Ogre's avatar

Geez man. I am sorry to say that, but I am starting to think you are not doing this thing entirely honestly. You keep saying we should not rely on moral intuitions, and yet you want us to keep relying on your intuitions like "If given the choice between preventing one person from having 5 dollars stolen, which would clearly be a liberty violation, and getting rid of all deadly diseases, it seems clear that preventing all diseases would matter more than preventing one small liberty violation." This is an intuition not accepted by everybody, this is not something you have proven. This is rather a textbook "utilitarian intuition".

To see the opposite of it, you might read Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers. Heinlein makes a case that suppose there was a war, it ended with a peace treaty, exchanging prisoners, but just one prisoner was not released by the enemy. Would it be right to start a war again, in which thousands would die, just to liberate that prisoner? Heinlein says a strong yes, because injustice, a violation of rights is a good reason to enforce them by violence, no matter how small it is and no matter how big is the cost. Heinlein offers here nothing but intuition, a very non-utilitarian intuition, but at least does not tell us to not use our intuitions!

Here is why Heinlein's intuition might be right: if a country does this once, other countries learn to not fsck with them, and that could save a lot of lives in the future.

Now that is also a utilitarian explanation, but the problem is, utilitarian intutions do not think beyond Step 1! Utilitarian intuitions do not ask "how do I know the child I rescue from the river is not Baby Hitler 2?"

Indeed, Heinlein's intution of a deontological sticking to your principles no matter what is the idea that deontology might cash out in long-term utility.

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R_K_M's avatar

The main problem here is that this is an fundamentally unserious proposition. 10!! exceeds the number of people who will ever live by about 10!!. It is not necessary to argue that at some point the dust specs are worse than torture, because that point quite obviously is not physically possible to achieve.

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