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Mike Hind's avatar

I think this supercedes the collaborative chat I was attempting on you-know-what. Although I'd still like to do something on moral reasoning in general, at some point.

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David Gretzschel's avatar

«But it would hold that if one is in the Maimer scenario, and not acting in self-defense would have no other spillover effects, what they really ought to do is not act in self-defense. Many find this to be quite counterintuitive. »

This kind of reasoning in that scenario leaves you vulnerable to the strongly implied threat (by the scenario) of collaborating with hostile, divine/eldritch simulators.

Assume that you find yourself absolutely certain, that your attacker won't harm anyone in the future, and this will not have spillover effects. You must come to the conclusion, that you are at least partially under hostile memetic influence of an outside hostile entity, because:

A) such a belief does not pass anyone's metacognitive sanity checks

which implies

B) someone must have transmitted that "knowledge" to you via means unknown

Possession of that knowledge, implies, that the attacker has been perfectly predicted by an

external entity to the very end of his life. And that the entity must thereby have gained considerable amounts of intel on his attacker's future physical and social environment, to confirm that claim with certainty.

No entity cannot plausibly predict someone to such a high degree, without not also controlling them. If that entity knew that much about the attacker and its future environment, it must have most likely instigated or allowed the attack, and said entity should thereby assumed to be extremely hostile. This makes the attacker an unwilling puppet under enemy control and a source of future information about your society.

Your attacker has negative moral worth and is a mere extension of the entity’s body. You owe to the person that he once was (if he ever was free from corruption), the mercy of death. You have an obligation to your community, to deprive an enemy of a source of strategic intel. [yeah, no negative spillover effects my ass. You cannot trust claims you believe to be “certain”, if they are in contradiction with any and all plausible underlying logical frameworks!]

If you cannot perceive eldritch horrors, when one practically licks your face, are you even a philosopher ;)

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