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I think the mistake here is seeing feminism as a sort of general welfare program for women, as opposed to a political movement against the specific oppression women face *as women.* For example, I'm pretty sure every feminist would admit that men are murdered more often than women. But the vast majority of men's murders aren't the sort of thing where their maleness is central to the act - it's not like most men are murdered because the other man murdering them is biased against men and wants to harm them. But a huge amount of the violence women face *does* stem directly from specific social factors where gender is a central factor. So when feminists focus on things that impact women, it's not because they're broad utilitarians who just have a false belief that women are suffering much more. It's just that they're specifically interested in harms that come to women *as women.* That's also why feminists don't spend time on things like, I don't know, fighting malaria or something - obviously those things harm millions of women all the time, but the mosquitos aren't seeking out women specifically so it's not considered a feminist issue.

Rape is a great example of this. Feminists focus on rape because it's a very central aspect of women's oppression as a class - they've done a huge amount of work over the years showing how rape isn't just an isolated crime that takes place between individuals, but overwhelmingly something that's deeply intertwined with patriarchal power structures and cultural practices and involves one class of people targeting another. When a man is raped, that's obviously a tragic instance of violence, but the number of women who are seeking out male strangers to rape is essentially zero and men as a class clearly don't have their social and political position constrained by the practice of rape. That's what matters to feminists, not just general suffering.

Of course, the reason a lot of people miss this is that modern feminism is often very depoliticized and doesn't always have a good framework for explaining this class analysis. But that's definitely what's going on behind the scenes to bring about the dynamics you're talking about. And I don't think it's an uncommon thing, either - you don't see immigrant rights groups advocating for things that help native-born citizens, even though there are probably some immigrants who are doing better than many native-born citizens, right?

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Jack Torrance's avatar

One of the most persistent dogmas I see within the modern movement is the idea that women simply do not fail, they are only failed. The question of female agency seems to constantly be in flux despite at least the forward face of the movement asserting (rightly) that women are full people with just as much agency and capability as men and society should treat them as such.

When women triumph it is because the women were the smartest and most talented, when a man triumphs it is only due to societal handouts. When a woman fails it is because society is stacked against her, when a man fails it is because he himself was incompetent. When women or feminism fails to achieve something, it is never because the woman or the movement’s approach was flawed, it is that the world is simply too hostile to their undeniable truth (it is of course never asked why if the feminist argument itself is so inherently undeniable it is unable to anticipate and adjust for the landscape). Our failures and successes are of course determined by an infinitely complex intersection of both skill and circumstance, as well as sheer luck, but this seems to be roundly ignored by the movement.

The most prescient example of this in recent history is of course the Clinton campaign’s failure, which blamed everything from Russian Interference to a deeply held misogyny as the reason for her failure, John Kerry by comparison simply failed in his duty to correctly politic to win.

This has also manifested itself in a very interesting way as the metoo movement has chugged along. Oddly nobody feels that the movement has failed more or is more sensitive to the backlash than the most ardent supporters of the movement, but there is a very narrow window of reasons why you’re allowed to acknowledge that failure according to them. If one points out that say the legal victories over people like Cosby and Weinstein relied to heavily on blatant civil rights violations or that the larger movement seemed too dismissive of concepts like discernment, fairness, and forgiveness that the larger society seems to hold important that caused the movement to stall you’ll simply be called an apologist. But of course when asked why the movement has failed or the backlash exist, their response is always that the same society that has basically spent 7+ years banishing anyone even slightly accused of a whole range of sexual impropriety at their insistence simply loves rape too much.

In practice the very concept of the patriarchy turns not into historical or political reality but an almost supernatural conspiratorial force. The only other group of people I’ve met who believe their group constantly loses due to an all powerful group controlling every lever of the world and are constantly beset upon at all times by criminals society fails to reign in to the same extent are White Nationalists.

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