Are you in college yet? You could just walk away from debate and the debate community. It won't matter at all once you graduate. I'm really serious about this, it's not like varsity sports or even math olympiad where people kind of value that you did it.
It's more comparable to spelling bees -- it's a prestige activity that people and their parents get weirdly intense about in school, hopefully it helps get you admitted somewhere you want to go, and then it completely doesn't matter a few years later. Maybe if you win ToC people would care, but that's about it. Maybe you make some friends too, but it sounds like you have not done that. So why not just walk away and ignore all these people.
The fact that you cite Moreno is self defeating. Having spoken to him personally, he’s perfectly willing to use the same kind of “slanderous” accusations you decry. It’s also pretty clear that his opposition isn’t motivated by much principle, but rather anger that he can’t freely spread his hate of transgender people and other groups in debate.
The reddit thread is why I gave up on reddiit ysr ago. None have any ability to actually hold an argument but to simple try to intimdate, name call, and use plenty of ism's. They seem like they have all been thought by yhe same halfway university professor. Noses so far up eachothers rears they lost sight of the light of day long ago.
Are you in college yet? You could just walk away from debate and the debate community. It won't matter at all once you graduate. I'm really serious about this, it's not like varsity sports or even math olympiad where people kind of value that you did it.
It's more comparable to spelling bees -- it's a prestige activity that people and their parents get weirdly intense about in school, hopefully it helps get you admitted somewhere you want to go, and then it completely doesn't matter a few years later. Maybe if you win ToC people would care, but that's about it. Maybe you make some friends too, but it sounds like you have not done that. So why not just walk away and ignore all these people.
I don't debate any more. And yes, I'm in college.
The fact that you cite Moreno is self defeating. Having spoken to him personally, he’s perfectly willing to use the same kind of “slanderous” accusations you decry. It’s also pretty clear that his opposition isn’t motivated by much principle, but rather anger that he can’t freely spread his hate of transgender people and other groups in debate.
I was just citing Moreno for the claim that the people who rebel against the orthodoxy are generally disagreeable.
Sure, but you can’t only cite the parts of someone that help make your claim!
Look, I'm not agreeing with everything Moreno says. I'm just saying that he shows that the dissenters are disagreeable.
Ok. But why can’t he also be cited for the proposition that the dissenters are both malicious and (actually!) bigoted?
The reddit thread is why I gave up on reddiit ysr ago. None have any ability to actually hold an argument but to simple try to intimdate, name call, and use plenty of ism's. They seem like they have all been thought by yhe same halfway university professor. Noses so far up eachothers rears they lost sight of the light of day long ago.