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Ape in the coat's avatar

> Bob’s coin toss

The correct answer is to update in favor of Tails if you know that you were randomly selected to be created and not update otherwise. If there was no random sampling involved, if Bob was planning to create you no matter what, then your existence tells nothing about the outcome of the coin toss - you simply observe event "At least one person was created", not "I was randomly selected from N attempts".

However, SIA just assumes that you are always randomly sampled. This is sometimes true. But not always. You need to actually investigate the casual history that led to your existence to know which case is which. Therefore SIA is wrong in a general case.

You should have addressed my example from the comments to the previous post:

On Tails only your biological parents are infertile since 1970, on Heads everyone in the world except your parents is infertile since 1970.

It is an actually interesting case where SIA contradict common sense and so it allows us to distinguish between two types of reasoning about such problems.

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As you say, regardless of anthropics, in the the super-prolific case I have reason to favor tails. One reason for this is that the probability of Randi getting pregnant at all (or carrying through to term, or whatever) is higher on the tails outcome than on the heads outcome*. In the divine case, the existence of the causal processes that successfully lead to even a single example of a human being created are the same. The causal process is just "God decides to directly create at least one person," and that has probability 1 of happening/succeeding on both coin outcomes, given omnipotence. Of course, you can modify the scenario so that God's actions might fail to create anyone based on more intermediary processes, but then we can appeal to a similar sort of non-anthropic evidence as in the other example.

* This still only gives me absurdly weak evidence for tails, since the probability of at least one pregnancy happening on heads and tails are both pretty close to 1. But I don't see a problem with this.

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