Lab grown animal products will arrive. People will stop eating animals, and start thinking objectively about this topic. Then every one of these lame rationalizations will be looked at with utter despair, confusion, and embarrassment
It seems like I hear complaints about the supposed righteous proselytizing of vegans far, far more often than I witness vegans doing any such thing. It's an effective tactic though--nobody wants to be "that person," so it discourages vegans from raising the topic at all. I even hear some vegans bragging about how chill they are, how they never bring it up, trying to secure the approval of the kind of people who whine about the very existence of veganism. (This happens in outsider groups all the time of course, a set of people who consider themselves "the good ones" arise and ply the mainstream for freedom from their group's stereotypes and poor treatment.) This dynamic is just another facet of the hostility confronting vegans regularly.
I have a lot of respect for people who have such compassion for animals that they are willing to make such a serious lifestyle change to adopt veganism. I don't think it is morally wrong to kill animals for food, but the factory farming and mistreatment of animals is horrifying, and I'm grateful that people recognize that and fight against it. Thank you!
I think I first came here on a link from Matt Ball. We align on certain topics and differ diametrically on others. Matt's battle-cry is "Stop Eating Animals." That's not the same thing as "The most humane standards possible for farming of animals for food." So it's not about the animals. It's about Matt Ball feeling good about himself. One out of every billion animals eaten today will be eaten by a human. If we care for animals we must focus on those whose quality of life we can and should do something about. Only then will the movement gain some respect.
1) You're absolutely right that the discourse is shockingly low quality.
2) You very recently wrote a piece encouraging cognitive empathy. Can you imagine why many might find veganism laughable? For instance, what if they don't grant your premises and therefore don't find the arguments that rely upon them particularly impressive?
3) Why wouldn't people be willing in public to deny the validity of veganism"s core premises? If we try some empathy, we can guess that they might feel bullied into silence.
Lab grown animal products will arrive. People will stop eating animals, and start thinking objectively about this topic. Then every one of these lame rationalizations will be looked at with utter despair, confusion, and embarrassment
It seems like I hear complaints about the supposed righteous proselytizing of vegans far, far more often than I witness vegans doing any such thing. It's an effective tactic though--nobody wants to be "that person," so it discourages vegans from raising the topic at all. I even hear some vegans bragging about how chill they are, how they never bring it up, trying to secure the approval of the kind of people who whine about the very existence of veganism. (This happens in outsider groups all the time of course, a set of people who consider themselves "the good ones" arise and ply the mainstream for freedom from their group's stereotypes and poor treatment.) This dynamic is just another facet of the hostility confronting vegans regularly.
Well said! There are a lot of idiots out there! I may not be a vegan, but I respect your ideas.
I have a lot of respect for people who have such compassion for animals that they are willing to make such a serious lifestyle change to adopt veganism. I don't think it is morally wrong to kill animals for food, but the factory farming and mistreatment of animals is horrifying, and I'm grateful that people recognize that and fight against it. Thank you!
I think I first came here on a link from Matt Ball. We align on certain topics and differ diametrically on others. Matt's battle-cry is "Stop Eating Animals." That's not the same thing as "The most humane standards possible for farming of animals for food." So it's not about the animals. It's about Matt Ball feeling good about himself. One out of every billion animals eaten today will be eaten by a human. If we care for animals we must focus on those whose quality of life we can and should do something about. Only then will the movement gain some respect.
Yeah.
In my entire life I haven't seen a single intelligent person who is genuinely anti-vegan
1) You're absolutely right that the discourse is shockingly low quality.
2) You very recently wrote a piece encouraging cognitive empathy. Can you imagine why many might find veganism laughable? For instance, what if they don't grant your premises and therefore don't find the arguments that rely upon them particularly impressive?
3) Why wouldn't people be willing in public to deny the validity of veganism"s core premises? If we try some empathy, we can guess that they might feel bullied into silence.
Imagine if a person said this about any other effort to do good
I like how the assumption that veganism is good is implied here.
You're writing is interesting; I want to understand you better.