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Good job pushing the animal points. Eating a plant based diet is not nearly as hard as people think (most common issue is just not eating enough)

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Jeff's admits that he has no idea where his meat comes from or about factory farming, but then continues to say "we just don't know", no matter how many times you state things we DO know about standard farming practices. It's very frustrating to watch! We DO know, he just is unwilling to hear it because he clearly doesn't WANT to know, which makes no sense given he says it's very wrong to knowingly eat unethically raised meat. You were a lot more patient with the motivated reason than I'd have been

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