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metaphysiocrat's avatar

The less locally numerous group is always structurally more inclined to debate-me culture. Obviously the far left isn't numerous in most contexts, which is why it actually does have a debate-me affect in a lot of contexts! A mass rally for our views isn't the kind of context that encourages this, however.

Additionally, large gatherings are just unconducive to meaningful debates. Text is the medium of careful thinking, which is why coherent left-wing arguments and coherent right-wing arguments and coherent squishy liberal arguments are all found there, in blogs and books. (Tweets are too small for this, which is why Twitter has been a disaster for discourse for everybody.)

The stereotype that everybody would have been familiar with until very recently would be that the far left is a milieu of almost oppressively constant argument and scholastic debate. I think this is basically accurate as long as the milieu is more academic-y than activist-y, but note how strongly these correspond to the media in which people are communicating.

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Dan Hochberg's avatar

Great piece and not much I can add. No, these people and many in liberal land refuse to debate for the reasons you name (and because they suspect they are somewhat wrong but don't care).

My account was banned for a month yesterday on a progressive substack because, though being quite civil, I did make some points to contradict the preferred narratives in their cozy groupthink space. And these are very intelligent people, many academics I think, who I figured would be above that. Nope.

Isn't it obvious that even if your opponent is basically wrong, or more wrong than you anyway, he is going to raise points and offer information you aren't aware of and even if you are going to maintain your position, you need to be sure you do have a good answer to his critiques?

The famous quote "You do not understand your position until you understand your opponent's position, as stated by his most intelligent and articulate spokesperson".

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