There is an argument for God that no one has successfully refuted that provides, if correct, absurdly strong evidence for the existence of God. Unlike every argument from the Thomists, the argument is relatively straightforward and relies on only one controversial premise, one held by many atheists! So far, the number of people who have written rebuttals is precisely one, and that rebuttal has involved rehashing generic arguments against God that can be demonstrably shown to not undermine the evidential significance of the argument one bit and objecting to the broad theory that the argument is based on while not understanding that they’re doing that, and then ignoring every argument for that theory, including some extremely conclusive demonstrations that the theory is right. Oh, and then trying to explain away the evidence by positing “stocking horse” theories which either have a prior of zero or predict the data with probability zero.
I’m not intending to criticize Truth Teller, who wrote that rebuttal. He’s quite a smart guy and his response was, in fact, many times more interesting and thoughtful than anything else that has been said in response. My point is that there have not been remotely convincing responses given to the argument, despite its quite overwhelming evidential force. To quote Amos Wollen’s parody of Peter Hitchens, “I’ve been universally ignored by everyone. I have not been listened to, even once—and I’m bored of it.”
Even the scores of sophisticated theists, people who usually think very carefully about these arguments, mostly say of the argument “hmm, that’s interesting,” and then ignore it. Theists who are quick to jump on the bandwagon when someone has a new argument from grounding or psychophysical harmony have ignored this argument, at most saying only “that’s interesting, might work,” with basically two exceptions: Amos and Apologetics Squared (first name Apologetics, last name Squared).
Why has this overwhelmingly powerful argument been essentially universally ignored, unlike other arguments—psychophysical harmony, for instance—that are similarly hard to understand? There is, of course, the fact that it wasn’t proposed by some hotshot philosopher like Dustin, but just undergraduate canine philosophy blogger Bentham’s Bulldog!
(Literally me).
But the other reason is that it has to do with the dreaded area of anthropics, reasoning about one’s existence. And people ignore anthropics because it’s confusing. As Aron Wall says, representing the consensus view about anthropics, “Pretty much all viewpoints lead to some horrendous paradoxes.” But do they? No, you only get horrendous paradoxes if you reject the self-indication assumption. That’s the theory that says that from your existence, you should think there are more people. Here’s a way to illustrate it, consider this case:
God’s extreme coin toss: You wake up alone in a white room. There’s a message written on the wall: “I, God, tossed a fair coin. If it came up heads, I created one person in a room like this. If it came up tails, I created a million people, also in rooms like this.” What should your credence be that the coin landed heads?
SIAers saw you should think tails is 1 million times likelier than heads. The reasoning is simple: if there are a million times as many people, then the odds you’d exist are a million times higher. So is Wall right that all theories get horrendous paradoxes? If you reject SIA, you get horrendous paradoxes including:
The troubling results of SIA:
You should think the universe has a bunch of people because then it’s likelier to have you. In fact, you should think, for any two bunches of people it might have, it has the bigger one. This is supposedly a troubling presumptuousness, even though all theories of anthropics are presumptuous and this is basically just straightforward probabilistic reasoning!
Stuff gets weird with infinity, as it does in basically every area, including in anthropics, on every view.
I don’t know if philosophical theories get more lopsided than theories of anthropics. While it’s a tricky topic to think through, once you do, the best theory is quite clear, more so than in any other area of philosophy, or so I think. Implying crazy results just isn’t something that both theories do. If you think that this is a both-sides issue, something something white moderate, and you’re on the side of colonizers!!! It’s only one side that requires weird and paradoxical things over and over again, and the other that has only one slightly troubling result, which isn’t even that troubling and just seems like straightforward probabilistic reasoning.
Anthropics is worth caring about. It has very important implications for what ultimate reality looks like. It’s one of those areas of philosophy that rewards hard-work, where once you really think about it, it stops being a confusing mess and starts to actually make sense! It combines being tricky and fun with being genuinely figureoutable in a way not as true of, say, infinite ethics (if there is a solution to infinite ethics, it is known only by God and the angels and maybe Alexander Pruss).
Everyone says anthropics is tricky. But it’s only tricky when you have the wrong theory. Once you think about it correctly, it all starts to make sense. It rewards careful and clear thought and is mutually reinforcing: thinking through the inverse gambler’s fallacy charge helps you think through theories of anthropics more broadly, like SIA and SSA, and also through more specific puzzles like God’s coin-toss and doomsday.
There is, however, a danger of studying anthropics. If you think hard about it to the point where it makes sense, you will have to spend the next many decades of your life listening to people say completely crazy things about anthropics.
I think this argument gets some crucial stuff about probability and infinities wrong.
"if fewer than Beth 2 people exist, then 0% of possible people exist, which would make the odds of my existence in particular zero"
Having a measure of zero doesn't imply non-existence, impossibility, or anything meaningful at all about the probability of your existence. A measure of zero simply means the size of the set of actually existing people is negligible in comparison to the set of all possible people. Your argument is kind of like saying the probability of selecting .2523 from [0, 1] is 0 because "0% of numbers exist" - it's 0 because its measure is 0. Or you could consider the subset of rational numbers within the set of all reals - same issue. I'm actually not sure if you're suggesting you randomly select a person from the set of all possible people and integrate over the subset of actually existing people, or if you're suggesting you integrate over the entire range. But either way, it doesn't make much sense. To get meaningful probabilities, you have to look at ranges. Given this sample space, you have to use PDF, not simple division. And, if you want to integrate over the entire space, we need to use a nonuniform distribution, otherwise you violate normalization. This means not every person has the same probability of existing.
Since the sample space you're using is uncountably infinite, you're suggesting humans are not discrete objects. I'm not really sure how that works. But even if humans weren't discrete, I still have no idea what it would mean to say a powerset of an infinity of people exist. Power sets of infinities are abstractions - it's not sensible to say that Beth 2 people actually exist.
If God can somehow make cardinal infinities of persons, then why would this ever stop? If even making countably infinite persons isn't a limit on him, and he can make powersets of infinities of people, then he can take the power set ad infinitum. This seems to lead to a contradiction - he's going to make the maximum number of people, but there is no maximum number of people.
This raises the question as to where all these people are. The number of people has clearly varied over time - it hasn't been constant at some maximum. The universe is mostly devoid of life. So, where are all these Beth 2 people? Is God keeping some infinite vat of souls? If so, then you run into exactly the same problem as before. If God selects some soul from the vat to exist at any given time, you again have measure zero.
I think you rightly point out God would maximize life. But then anthropic reasoning points in exactly the opposite direction you're claiming - the universe is hostile to life. We certainly don't observe Beth 2 people. Your claims go against empirical observation. And, as I mentioned before, the very existence of humans suggests God isn't real: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11841-009-0137-0
Regardless, and I think most crucially, these probabilities simply aren't meaningful. Your existence is determined by initial conditions in conjunction with nomological laws, not someone selecting a random person out of a set of Beth 2 possible people. Your existence is not a random event, so all of this probabilistic reasoning is irrelevant.
Sure, I'll give anthropics a try. What's the worst that could happen? :v