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In-Nate Ideas's avatar

It seems to me like the intuition Timmerman relies on is really an overfitting of a heuristic against doing things that burn us out in the long term. Holding back altruistic resources is instrumental to career longevity, mental health, financial stability etc, and this helps us do the most good long term taking as fixed our psychological limitations. However, that doesn’t mean it’s *intrinsically* ok to let children drown. I think if we *weren’t* the kinds of animals that burn out from excessive altruism, or if our lives were much shorter, we probably would be obligated to spend the whole day saving the children.

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Yes I think the Timmerman argument is the best one. There are lots of similar considerations one can raise as well, although I agree that for middle income people they don't have strong force against giving ten percent.

For example to add even more parallels to real life the case would have to be one where helping all the kids all the time (or even a lot of the time) modestly increases all sorts of personal risks to you, especially your health risks and the chance of medical bankruptcy.

For this reason I tend towards the view that working class or lower middle income people have no obligation to give, at least not in the US. Although they may have an obligation to increase their savings rate to get to the point where they can safely give.

Edit: This also counts in favor of the investing to give model you've discussed elsewhere.

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