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Petrus's avatar

Thank you so much for writing this! Even as someone who holds fairly conservative views on many issues, I am so freaking fed up with the obnoxious alt-right internet dwellers who refuse to engage with the views of their opponents, and instead just assert the vilest things in the name of being "based", and call anyone who disagrees with them "fake and gay." Really glad to see people calling this out.

It's made me appreciate all the more the work of genuine conservatives like Trent Horn. Even when I disagree with some of his views (which happens fairly rarely) I always get a very strong impression that he's someone who sincerely loves the truth. This video of his covers similar ground to this article. Being based will in fact send you to hell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mutrNUJNhU

And that's what I think we need more of in popular discourse. I'll always prefer a genuine, truth-seeking liberal (like yourself) over an obnoxious right wing Trump-worshipper who will do literally anything stupid or immoral in order to meet the goal of being "based". We need to get back to having real, honest conversations about important issues, instead of just memeing each other into oblivion online.

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Overslept Lines's avatar

I love the way you articulated this. Oversimplification through pattern-matching, like whataboutism and ad hominem attacks, is a potent way to shut down discourse and brute-force one’s own viewpoint through. And this is why the stakes of the argument become so important. On the one hand, if there’s real power or money on the line, many people will cheat to win without a second thought. On the other hand, if the argument matters in the first place, using sophistry to push a stupid idea through often leads to real-world consequences that make everything worse. Not that that necessarily stops anybody. But it’s in the realm of the esoteric that the battles get especially vicious, because the practical stakes are often especially low.

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