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> Humans have the ability to reason in a way that enables us to be in some way acquainted with the truth in a way that no algorithm designed purely by natural selection could ever be.

This sounds like a bold objective claim, that there is something beyond natural selection that made humans reason the way we do. However then you clarify:

> Evolution selects for the physical systems that give rise to rationality because they are adaptive. Being able to reason well and grasp significant truths is adaptive, so it’s selected for.

So... what's the disagreement then? Reductive materialists say: we are reasoning mechanisms produced by natural selection. NR say: No, we have special non-mechanistic way to reason also produced by the natural selection. This seems to be a purely semantical confusion. Both positions seem to be in agreement on the objective matter whether our reasoning properties are produced by natural selection or not. The disagreement about the usage of terms "special" and "mechanism". But if we taboo these words then there is simply nothing to argue about. Is there?

> Humans have intuitions about a lot of domains.

All these domains can be mostly reduced to reasoning about "which conclusions follow from which premises". And then there are some small number of the initial premises that intuitively feel "right".

> On such an account, natural selection is solely responsible for imbuing us with our beliefs, wholly unrelated to their truth.

What do you mean wholly unrelated to the truth? Truth is the relation of correspondence between the world and the belief about this world. Being able to correctly reason about the world in a truth preserving manner is adaptive, therefore we have the relation between whether our "if-then" reasoning appears correct to us and it's actual correctness, through natural selection.

The only category that falls short here are ethical and aesthetic axioms. But that only means that the most naive form of moral realism is false, not that logic, mathematics, epistemology, or other ways to reason about ethics are completely unjustified for us.

> The same point can be made with reference to any of our other beliefs. For instance, take our belief that the prime minister is not a prime number.

We do not believe that prime minister not being a prime number is some kind of fundamental law of the universe. It's just the way we draw category borders. We do not even need any selection pressures here, we can easily re-classify things in such a way that prime minister is a prime number. For example, through defining "Prime minister" as being equal to 2.

> NR has a good explanation of that fact—through our ability to reason, we can simply see that the prime minister isn’t a prime number.

That's not an explanation at all. How do we know that our ability to reason is actually correlated with the truth, if we do not appeal to natural selection? How does NR allows us to evade the 8-ball scenario? Like, imagine a world where humans definetely had some intuitions which they couldn't possibly developped through natural selection, that there is definetely some "special ability to reason". And one of such intuitions is: "all of these special intuitions are true". Can we just trust it?

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This seems to presuppose that all non-natural facts require NR above the functions of ordinary physical mind. Unless there is NR, then we can’t use deductive reasoning to conclude transitivity or that 1+1=2. But this seems to presuppose that only non-physical mind can perceive non-physical facts and not sufficiently deal with the fact that the functions of the physical mind can use deduction to perceive non-physical facts.

Computers wouldn’t have acquaintance knowledge without conscious experience, but they clearly have deductive powers that would allow them to infer non-natural facts. Especially those necessary facts you list which would be true in all possible worlds, that physicalism would provide no reason to doubt. Physicalism is perfectly compatible with the ontology and epistemology of non-physical facts given the deductive functions that it explains. But let's say it doesn’t that non-natural facts require NR to be justified, what would NR need to have to give it the powers to perceive non-natural facts?

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