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Alex Scott's avatar

Premise 6 is question begging however, no deontologist would agree to it.

Looking at the reason why a lack of consent would make it wrong

So… if you can’t obtain consent then you can’t do it, this isn’t an issue for them. You seem to imply they wouldn’t be harmed because you can’t get consent, I’m confused by this.

“Biting one bullet is alright, but it cannot be your sole diet.”- this is a great line

“Sometimes, however, if multiple people do bad things for larger benefits, this is in everyone’s interests. Intuitively, then, if you can facilitate such a situation, you ought to. But if those acts are individually wrong, then you shouldn’t facilitate them. Thus, the acts must not be wrong, and deontology must not be right. “

Why would it being in everyone’s interest mean you ought to? If those acts are individually wrong and you don’t accept the consequences as where to assess moral valence, the acts being individually wrong is the end of the story. It’s entirely fair for them to say that the acts are wrong and it’s wrong to facilitate them even if jointly they are net good. So this seems kinds of like it’s assuming at least that most people have consequentialist intuitions (I think this is right).

Tejas Subramaniam's avatar

If you accept premise (4) to be generally true across moral theories, I could see it posing a problem for utilitarianism too, because I have to imagine there are actions that are bad on a consequentialist lens in isolation, but better to do when done together with another action.

Consider the following case: If group A boycotts a restaurant because they don’t sell cage-free eggs, the company isn‘t incentivized to move to cage-free eggs, but conditions for animals get worse because the company has less cash to do other, more minimal welfare reforms. The same goes for group B. However, if group A and B boycott the restaurant together, that’s enough to push the company to adopt a cage-free reform.

Under utilitarianism, group A’s action is bad, as is group B’s action. Suppose group A and B are wholly uncoordinated. Indeed, they’d be seriously bad actions, for preventing a more-moderate welfare reform from occurring. But it seems good to press a button to cause group A and B to act simultaneously in this way.

I assume the way to hold premise (4) while defending utilitarianism here is to argue that the justifications for why the actions are wrong even sequentially in (1) and (2) hold for deontology, but not for consequentialism. I’ll think about it, but I’m not sure that’s true, as the actions are still done in isolation and without knowledge of the other group. I think the easier path for the consequentialist is to reject premise (4).

That said, I see why it might be harder for a deontologist to reject premise (4). Hence, I’d prefer to formulate the argument by modifying premise (4) with a “if deontology is true...” prefix.

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