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You're wrong. Also, your blog fairly frequently highlights the kinds of ways that people who sit inside and think all the time without doing much in the world would tend to be wrong; yet, though I think you're told this pretty often, I think your reaction is likely to sit inside and think some more.

Anyway, be that as it may: first, you change course halfway through. You start out saying they should be able to vote once they achieve sentience (etc.). But halfway through, we find out that you mean that they should be able to vote once they achieve sentience *and we have a sufficient regulatory regime over their creators to make sure that they aren't subtly manipulating their makeup in order to achieve their own [human] ends once they are able to vote.*

Not that you say it that say. You say you want to make it illegal to "brainwash them into believing some set of views," as if it's so simple. But the above is what you *should* have said, and you're sufficiently out of touch with reality to believe that you can just wave a regulatory wand and magically know that such subtle manipulation isn't happening. This doesn't suggest a close acquaintance with how technology firms are run, or how well regulation has worked.

Oh, and by the way, your hypothetical about creating lots of babies that would vote the same? That does happen, you know -- it's called different demographic groups. Something you might have noticed is that people are already pretty upset that various groups that disagree with them (Hispanics, or Asians, or conservative Christians) are reproducing too fast and causing political change. We protect that because it's a fundamental human right, and humans are what we're about. But it's certainly already a concern, and you can bet it would be a bigger one once your idea happened.

Another big problem with your idea is counting. Humans reproduce fairly slowly. It is super easy to create another instance of an AI, and each copy of a given one will think pretty much the same. It is far from clear why each instance would get a vote, or how to count instances if there were some other system.

The problems continue. But, suffice to say, it's a very bad idea. Fortunately, AIs are unlikely to become conscious anytime soon.

I do apologize for the somewhat harsh tone of this comment. I feel bad about it. But I am going to leave it, because I meant the things I said, and I think they are more important than your opinion on this specific topic. You're a really smart and cool guy, whom I like (from your writings). I would like to see you spend less of your life thinking silly things that are out of touch with reality and then feeling proud because you base your opinions on arguments, not prejudices; when, often, it is just an index of your not having experienced enough of the world to see the arguments that you should (which are often very tied to the actual, complicated facts about the world, and not a neat list of premises).

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> "No! It would be to prohibit designing babies that don’t think for themselves but instead must toe the party line. Similarly, when designing digital minds, there should be restrictions on how they’re made. A creator shouldn’t be allowed to cause them needless pain or brainwash them into believing some set of views. They should, like the rest of us, be permitted to think freely instead of being pre-loaded with some set of opinions."

This seems woefully inadequate to the problem. No brainwashing is necessary to know that, for example, encouraging white rural Kentuckians to breed will create more Republicans, or encouraging black urban New Yorkers will create more Democrats. If we truly understand AI, it will be even more deterministic - we can be certain that an AI with some reasonable set of parameters will end up conservative, and an AI with some other reasonable set of parameters will end up Republican. Pick an architecture, a size, and a training data corpus, and it will probably settle into one of those two attractors. Even if there's some randomness, you wouldn't expect it to end up 50-50. And if some particular AI design ends up 70-30 Democrats, there's still very strong incentive for the Democrats to make more of them, and vice versa.

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