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Mark's avatar

Suppose I told you that the ghost of Sargon of Akkad visited me last night, informed me that his favorite number is 4,781,872,348,761,586,178,345,871,334,578 and then disappeared. This is intrinsically improbable, but on the other hand the probability that I'd lie and make up *that specific number* is also intrinsically improbable. So is it a wash? If you object that your prior on a ghost existing is much lower than this number (say, 10^-100), then imagine I used an example with a longer random-seeming number that was vastly more improbable than even that (say, 10^-1000).

Even if I present some limited amount of physical evidence that a ghost visited me, it should still strike you as pretty dubious that "appearing just to name a number he claims is his favorite, with no coherent explanation" is the sort of thing that Sargon of Akkad's ghost would do.

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I think most of the things you say here are right, but a few are mistaken:

1. Non-Christianity explains why the texts were written decades later by unverified sources much better than Christianity. Sure, they *could* have been written later still on non-Christianity, but so what? It isn't surprising that they were written only a few decades after Jesus's death. But it is quite surprising that the evidence is so thin if Christianity is true: "God needs us to have faith" is ad hoc and in my opinion extremely implausible. There's no reasonable account of why having less evidence would ever be necessary for a stronger relationship with God, but quite obvious ways that it makes us worse off (the majority of the world doesn't accept the revelation).

2. The explanation for the doctrine of the Trinity isn't that Jews in first century Palestine came up with it - that would be pretty unlikely. It wasn't a doctrine until much later, and its historical development is documented. It developed as an attempt to reconcile other doctrines - in particular, the doctrine that Jesus was divine with monotheism. Given the context of the historical development, I don't think that the mere existence of the doctrine of the Trinity comes close to providing enough evidence to outweigh its intrinsic unlikeliness.

3. God can't be a composite object of the three persons. The doctrine of the Trinity holds that all three persons *are* God, not that they are parts of God. Even views like modalism (the only way to render the Trinity coherent, imo) are considered heresy by virtually every Christian denomination. Of course, you just ignore what the vast majority of Christians consider heresy, but at that point, why believe in the Trinity at all?

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