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I don't know how many of us you've spoken to, but my views fall within the scope of the kinds of views you're referring to. I've also written a reply to you, which you can see here:

https://www.lanceindependent.com/post/zombies-see-red

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The one comment I'll make a point of drawing attention to here is this. You say:

"They’ll point out how introspection is often wrong and we’re often wrong about what we’re aware of. That is of course true. But then they use that to show that conscious experience is, in some sense, an illusion"

They do appeal to these facts, but they also appeal to other facts. You give the misleading impression that this is the only fact they appeal to. You do this again here:

"The fact that we’re sometimes wrong about what we’re aware of doesn’t show that we’re not actually conscious. "

I agree. But proponents of illusionism don't merely appeal to the fact that we're sometimes wrong about what we're aware of to argue against phenomenal consciousness. They appeal to a variety of other empirical findings and philosophical considerations. I think your remarks give the impression that illusionists think introspective error alone is sufficient. Some may think this, but stronger versions of illusionism don't.

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