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TheBorys's avatar

"You are the only person left in the universe. You have a happy life" only rationalist could write a sentence like this

Elias Schmied's avatar

Haha, thanks for giving me something to do this afternoon. There's very few things I enjoy more than arguing about decision theory.

A few thoughts:

I agree that the Bomb example is tough - I think FDT's framing that you retroactively change the past is genuinely bad, and the correct way of thinking about it is a lot deeper. (I have an unfinished draft about my own idiosyncratic framing, if you're interested I can send it to you).

But I think in criticisms of FDT, including this one, there is usually a missing mood. There's a mental move very important to intellectual progress of "Okay, I can't get on board with this as it currently stands, but there are some very interesting ideas here that seem important". I think this is clearly true about FDT / LW decision theories! So you should say it, and not call it "devoid of genuine content"! :P

(to be clear, I personally am not doing that mental move since I *am* on board with LW decision theory, but I understand why someone might not be due to the counterintuitiveness)

Also, I disagree that there's "no fact about whether two algorithms are the same". There's a whole literature about "multiple realizability" (often in the context of functionalism in philosophy of mind) that I don't know why MacAskill and you don't mention. Last time I tried to look into this, my personal takeaway was the opposite - that it *does* seem like there plausibly is an in-principle approach for determining whether two physical systems implement the same algorithm: Chalmers' CSA approach. (The concrete response to the calculator example would just be to say that the + and - version of the calculator are the same algorithm with different labels.)

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