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Leaving aside questions of personal identity for a moment, quantum mechanics seems to very clearly exclude a notion of persistent identity for particles.

First, in the simple case where the amount and type of particles doesn't change, we can set up experiments where two multi-particle states are arrived at with opposite phase, and see if they interfere with each other. When the states differ only in the identity of the particles, we see that they do, so for example, "electron A in position X, electron B in position Y" can destructively interfere with "electron B in position X, electron A in position Y". Or it can interfere constructively, in which case each assignment of labels is equally valid.

Secondly, in the more fundamental theory of quantum fields, individual particles are just waves in those fields. Individual waves can have a meaningful kind of identity, if they don't interact too much with other waves, but in the general case waves can be created, destroyed, combine or split apart, or enter complicated interactions where you can't really pick out any waves any more at all, let alone identify "which" input wave they "really are". The situation in the simpler case arises because states are not distinguished by how they arose, only by the field value at each point, so "swapping" two identical particles is just the same state you started with.

This notion of fundamental identities also has a serious epistemological issue: if these identities don't effect any feature of the physical world, how could you possibly have learned of them? For example, you probably have an intuition that normally identities are persistent over time, but this intuition was not caused by you observing any physical event that demonstrates persistent identity because identity doesn't cause any physical events. So you would retain it even if, in truth, the identity of all trees on Earth were actually being shuffled every 6 hours, unless perhaps you also hold that God intervened to give you correct intuitions.

I think this sense that things have identities that persist over time independently of their physical state is just a cognitive shortcut humans use, which is approximately valid in our ordinary experience, but has no fundamental reality. Our experience involves lots of physically contiguous objects that don't change much over time, and don't often merge with, or split from, other objects of interest, and two previously distinct objects are almost never rendered physically identical in every way, so it's useful to think of objects as having a unique identity and associated history, but if you leave the ordinary experience this can quickly break down.

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I definitely don't think that, whatever your theory of complexity/simplicity is, hypotheses should be penalized for failing to specify haecceities, as opposed to just positing the existence of objects which bear certain relations between them but are otherwise "anonymous." I don't exactly even know what it would mean to specify a haecceity, other than to point ostensively to things around you and being like "that specific thing over there." And I don't think anyone grades the simplicity of a theory of physics based on pointing to anything, as opposed to its abstract mathematical character which would be the same even if you woke up in a black room with no memories and couldn't point to anything at all.

And I still don't really see how God is helping you here. First because it's not clear how God decides to create this electron instead of a different, indistinguishable electron, and second because your theory of what God does is going to have to build in all of his countless decisions to build this and that haecceity-specific electron in exactly the same way you accuse the atheist of needing to do. So the complex-due-to-haecceity theory of physics has been derived from something else, yes, but it's an equally complex theory of divine action.

I think most of your examples motivating haecceitism seem like they'd be easy to bite the bullet on for an anti-haecceitist - indeed, they are precisely sort of the paradigmatic cases meant to illustrate to novices what anti-haecceitism even means! It actually seems sort of common in metaphysics in general to argue that the existence of a symmetry implies the illusoriness of some intuitive metaphysical thing. For instance, a lot of people would be motivated to say that God couldn't have created the whole universe shifted five meters to the left of where it actually is (perhaps we need to pretend we live in a Newtonian universe for this to make sense, IDK), because what would be the real difference?

Finally, I've privately wondered if haecceity-centric viewpoints undercut SIA, or at least lead it to drastically different conclusions than it's usually taken to lead to. For example, in any of the standard red-vs.-blue jacket thought experiments, we're called to ask what the probability is of God's coin landing heads conditional on our observing ourselves having a red jacket - SIA says the answer is going to be based on the expected number of people who have such observations depending on coin outcomes. But if we instead ask what the probability is of God flipping heads conditional on ourselves observing *this specific* experience of a red jacket, then there's never going to be more than one of those in any world, no matter how many qualitatively identical observers there are. In other words, if SIA is based on computing the number of possible people who have my evidence, then no more than one person truly has *my* evidence in this sense.

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