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If the person whose life would be saved by charity would be justified in stealing money to save themselves, then they aren't required to die, and so morality isn't demanding.

You object that they would only be justified in stealing if we owe them the money, but that does not follow. If you are justified in taking someone's life on grounds of self-defense. it doesn't follow that they owe you their life.

Imagine two sides of a war are using conscripted soldiers, forced to kill the other side in order to survive. Plainly, soldiers on both sides are justified in taking the lives of the other side, but the other side doesn't owe them their lives.

Similarly, I think the person whose life would be saved by charity would be justified in stealing money (even from the innocent) to defend their life. In the same way, they would be justified in stealing a gun to defend themselves from a deadly attack.

So, they are justified in stealing to save themselves, and thus are not required to die. So, my moral views are not too demanding of them. At the same time, we do not owe them whatever they would need to steal, so my moral views are not too demanding of us.

I seem to be able to avoid the charge you lay against me, here. You might try to object that, since defending their lives is more important than whatever I'm usually doing with that money, it should override my right to my money, and so again I would owe them the money.

Yet, look at conscripted soldiers in war once more: even if one side has more to live for, or more people on it who would survive, or a greater claim to a just cause, it still does not follow that the other side owes them their lives. Self-defense does not aggregate in that way.

So, while I agree that many of the principles you cite here are intuitive. I think those intuitions are mostly debunked (as I've argued on other posts), and my alternative view is much less demanding than yours, which strikes most of us as much more intuitive.

P.S.: I think you are trying to debunk the intuition that morality is less demanding by having us ask whether other people owe us things, instead of asking whether we owe other people things. Yet, people are naturally going to be more charitable with other people's money or valuables because they didn't have to work to earn those valuables.

I actually think intuitions asking us whether other people should give us free stuff are pretty unreliable, as a result. It's not like those intuitions are free from our self-interest (we get free stuff!), they are just divorced from the actual steps necessary to produce the free stuff such that the actual costs to the giver of giving away the free stuff (i.e. hours of labor) are not intuitively obvious, and so are not factored well into our intuitions here.

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I've been had! You wily utilitarian you!

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