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Scott Alexander's avatar

I'm less sure about the substrate-dependence thing than you are, for two reasons:

- Apparently integrated information theory is substrate dependent? This surprises me - it seems purely computational - but I think it has something to do with the structure rather than the function. As long as I don't understand this fully, I'm not sure I understand the concept of "substrate dependence", and worry that something like IIT which feels computational but turns out to be substrate dependent might be true.

- Qualia Research Institute seems to be leaning toward some theory that the electromagnetic fields in the brain are responsible for consciousness, and that the properties of consciousness are closely tied to those of EM fields. Although you could probably simulate an EM field on a computer, that seems kind of like cheating, and until I understand more about what they mean I'm not sure it would even work.

I think the "fading" argument just piggybacks on the general paradoxicalness of consciousness affecting behavior (especially the behavior of saying "I am conscious"). Until we have a theory of how consciousness causes reports of consciousness, everything in this category will sound paradoxical.

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I used to completely dismiss substrate-dependence, and I've moved in the direction of taking it more seriously. Not the brute kind, but the functional kind. I think you're a bit quick to say: "this doesn't fit very well with neuroscience." I've found Peter Godfrey Smith's recent(ish) stuff on this really interesting, and he makes a plausible case that there's some information processing at the cellular level that really does depend on the particular chemical makeup of cells, in a way that it's hard to imagine replicating with very different materials. Granted, you might think that's not the information processing that matters for consciousness, but I have come away from reading his stuff thinking the issue is harder than I initially thought:

https://petergodfreysmith.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mind_Matter_Metabolism_PGS_2014_DW6.pdf

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