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Scott Alexander's avatar

I'm going to defend special obligations, and you're going to say "Yeah, that view of it is fine, I'm just arguing against some sort of metaphysically reified version", and I'm going to link to https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/07/24/value-differences-as-differently-crystallized-metaphysical-heuristics/. Now that I've made my predictions, let's go:

1. Alice has a child. Then she thinks about it and realizes that she could donate the money she spends on feeding the child to instead feed ten starving children in Africa. So she donates it to Africa and lets her child starve to death. Good or bad?

2. Bob takes a loan out from his friend, earns some money, and is able to pay the loan back. Instead he donates the money to starving children in Africa and tells his friend to call the cops if he objects (which he won't do, because it's a small amount of money and not worth a court case). Good or bad?

3. Carol got sick, and David saved her life by caring for her 24-7 for months until she recovered. Now David gets sick. Carol could either care for him, or let him die and instead volunteer at the local food bank, which would produce 2x as much utility. Which should she do?

4. Your waiter, who relies on tips to live, went above and beyond to give you excellent service, even though you technically came in very slightly after the restaurant's usual closing time. You can either give him a good tip, or stiff him and spend the money on malaria nets. Which do you do?

I think the idea of "special obligations" is just formalizing the sorts of actions we take in situations 1-4 which are necessary for society to exist at all, and I think arguing against them on the grounds that they're not ground-level-real is like arguing against the existence of rocks (which are also not ground-level-real, just abstractions over atoms). If you were going to criticize people who believe rocks are fundamental and not made of atoms, you should make it really clear that that's what you're doing, so people don't get the impression that you don't believe in normal rocks.

I think the Juan/Bertha analogy is boring. Compare to anything about making a promise. Suppose I promise to help you move tomorrow. But then it turns out that God says unless I go to such-and-such a place tomorrow, he will kill 10,000,000 people. That's worse than Hitler, so it seems like making promises is worse than Hitler, right? No. The solution is some combination of "accept that God doing crazy things will make moral calculations come out weird" and "have a widely-understood norm that promises are up to some extremely high point, but no further".

See also https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/08/28/contra-askell-on-moral-offsets/

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dionissis mitropoulos's avatar

Hi Bentham.

I am not sure that in number 4 the deontologist cannot avoid your counterexample. You write:

<i> "Some stranger takes some action that gives you the option to save their child or your own and also makes your child slightly better off. If you save their child, then everyone will be better off relative to a world where they hadn’t taken that action. Nonetheless, it seems wrong—if there are special obligations—to take that action."</i>

Off the top of my head, the deontologist mother could reply: "The special obligation that i must discharge is not that i physically be the one who saves my child. It is rather that i make it happen that my child is saved. This could happen even through an intentional omission of mine. So there is no problem to coordinate with the stranger to have him save my child -- in a more efficient way no less, which is another special obligation towards my child that i need to discharge,".

Or am i missing something?

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