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Joseph's avatar

For what it's worth, I don't think you've presented the Rawlsian version of the veil of ignorance here because your argument relies on beings from behind the veil knowing, e.g., that they'd be much more likely to become a shrimp than a human.

From the authoritative Utilitarianism.net: "The “veil of ignorance” thought experiment was originally developed by Vickrey and Harsanyi, though nowadays it is more often associated with John Rawls, who coined the term and tweaked the thought experiment to arrive at different conclusions. Specifically, Rawls appealed to a version in which you are additionally ignorant of the relative probabilities of ending up in various positions, to block the utilitarian implications and argue instead for a “maximin” position that gives lexical priority to raising the well-being of the worst-off."

I think it's fair to say "well, a version of the veil of ignorance that prevents you from knowing the probabilities is arbitrarily restrictive," but I don't think it's fair to say (on the basis of what you've argued here) "Rawlsians should be on board with strongly prioritizing animals."

Michael's avatar

You have snuck utilitarianism in through the back door by imagining everyone is calculating probabilities from behind the veil of ignorance. If everyone in the original position is risk-neutrally maximizing expected value, they'll wind up designing a society that is utilitarian. (Or maybe they are like standard behavioral agents who have taste for low variance, okay, then you get a utilitarian society that hedges a little bit.)

But Rawls argues at length that, even if rational agents in general should be good orthodox Bayesian utility maximizers, in the original position, one should instead use the maximin criterion, not any kind of expected value calculation. And this leads to the difference principle rather than utility maximization.

What the difference principle would look like if the original position includes animals, I have no idea. Probably with even more concern for insects, though also stranger and less convincing as an argument.

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