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Richard Y Chappell's avatar

Conservatives, like deontologists, should be moderates rather than absolutists. They should be open to the possibility that a *sufficiently* better outcome can justify replacement. They just don't think it should be as cheap/easy as utilitarianism implies. So I don't think that one-shot conservatives should be too bothered by the objection that replacement is still possible on their view. The moderate "spirit" of their view just requires that replacement is not justified by merely *marginal* improvements.

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Ghatanathoah's avatar

Your counterexample to long term conservatism doesn't hold water for me. It seems to me like a world where people live forever is much more of a utopia than one where people die, even if the people who die are happier moment to moment.

Remember that when assessing how positive a life is, you add up how positive it is over a person's entire life. So when comparing the "utopia" of very happy people to the world of moderately happy immortals, you wouldn't compare 100 years of the immortals' lives to the lives of the very happy people. You'd compare the immortals' entire lives to the very happy peoples' entire lives. Since the immortals live a very long time in your example, they are probably far, far happier than the people in the "utopia." Even if the very happy peoples' lives are 10, 100, even 1000 times better, moment to moment, the immortal has lived so long that their cumulative life is far better.

I think in general your framing of both long term and short term conservatism suffer from relying too much on time, rather than taking a timeless view of people's lives. I think a better framing would be to have two types of conservatism: one in which when someone is replaced there is a fixed penalty in value for doing so, and one where the penalty is a ratio of however much value the replaced person would have generated had they not been replaced. I suppose there could also be a hybrid view that has a fixed penalty to start with that then increases in severity relative to how happy a person's life was. I am not sure which of these best captures Cohen's intuition best and has the least counterintuitive conclusions, but they definitely seem better than standard utilitarianism.

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