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Gavin Pugh's avatar

So, life is a team building camping retreat, but instead of the inconvenience being sleeping in a tent, there's malaria?

In the limited case, I like it. It's like a parent taking their kid on a hike or making them study. The kid may grumble and gripe, but with the wisdom of hindsight we know it's a good thing.

But I struggle to accept it on a larger scale. We like Calvin's dad imposing minor hardships on Calvin claiming "it builds character," but wouldn't accept it if he, say, cut off Calvin's arm. But maybe that's my mortal-bias. If after I die my whole body returns to heaven, maybe the loss of an arm during life isn't that big a deal. But if we accept that, is it morally good to impose hardship, even drastic hardship, on others so that they may build relationships? I cut off everyone's left arm, sacrificing my connection with other people, but in exchange everyone else gets to bond over being attacked by that crazy arm guy.

My gut feeling is that this feels more like an explanation that we're living in a simulation, that the simulators enter "life on earth" the same way we would read a book or watch a movie. It feels too much like something a human would come up with, not a divine being. If God came up with this system, I'd still feel compelled to ask "couldn't you have come up with something that didn't result in kids with cancer?"

I will need to think on this more.

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Joseph Greenwood's avatar

This is very close to the standard theodicy of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. It's an important part of that metaphysic that we existed as spirits prior to being born on earth, and that we opted in to the experience, and possibly also to many of the particulars of the life we are born to.

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